What Happened to Hillsong? 7 Shocking Facts Concerning the Exploding Controversy [Video]

Craig HueyChurch, Culture, Faith56 Comments




These are just some of the words evangelical Christians around the world found when the Pastor Carl Lentz of New York’s megachurch Hillsong refused to define sin and failed to give the gospel on the TV talk show “The View” (See video below).

And he was roundly criticized after he sidestepped a question about abortion.

He disappointed Christians worldwide by not speaking boldly in defense of unborn babies.

Now, I love Hillsong music … it’s anointed, it’s powerful.

Unfortunately, the Hillsong church in New York, which has found itself in controversy in the last few years, just exploded again.

Here are 7 facts you should know:

  1. Pastor Carl Lentz ran from speaking the truth on national TV.

It looks sleazy as he avoided the question on sin and abortion. Never run from the answer, stand firm in it. When pressed to define “is abortion a sin?” Pastor Lentz ran from the truth. When pressed to define where he stood with the gospel, he could not articulate it.

I think it was because he was more concerned with being liked, and being a friend to the liberal hosts, as opposed to telling the truth. The truth often offends. That’s reality.

If the pastor asked himself, “Am I the servant of Christ,” he would have articulated his position with God’s word in the forefront: Yes, abortion is a sin. And he could have explained sin and the cross.

  1. Why Pastor Lentz’s original tepid answer hurt the church.

When asked directly by co-host Joy Behar, “So, it’s not sin in your church to have an abortion?” Lentz responded, “That’s the kind of conversation we would have finding out your story, where you’re from, what you believe … I mean, God’s the judge. People have to live their own convictions … before I start picking and choosing what I think is sin in your life, I’d like to know your name kiwigambling.co.nz.”

That’s just a sad answer.

Yes, God is the judge, but is that a fully truthful response?

Are we playing word games with God’s words?

God said, I knew you BEFORE I formed you in the womb!

That is a life!

Jeremiah 1:5 proclaims:

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

  1. Pastor Carl Lentz was not prepared to be on national TV.

Most Christians and pastors are not well-trained for being under attack and challenged for their beliefs.

Pastor Lentz completely lost sight of 1 Peter 3:15…

“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.”

Preparation and training would not be hard. Since the world hates what we stand for … Since so many people want to tear down the message of the cross, pastors and Christians need to be prepared if they are going to be on the air.

  1. Pastor Lentz never tried to give the gospel to millions of broken people. Every time a pastor is on the air, they should always be prepared to spread the gospel. The Rev. Franklin Graham never misses a beat, whether it’s 30 seconds or a 5-minute segment discussing a topic, the gospel is given.

Most pastors will do this. For example, Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church, John MacArthur of Grace Community Church preach the gospel when interviewed.

Preach the gospel through good times and bad. It’s what we do. For example, during the natural disasters of hurricanes, or the man-made disaster of a church shooting, people were on TV and radio proclaiming Christ and Him crucified.

They were a testimony to the world. They didn’t give generalizations and feel-good statements. They didn’t ignore Christ or his message as Pastor Lentz did.

  1. What does God’s word say about pleasing man and not Him.

Galatians 1: 9-10 tells us:

“As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.”

  1. How Pastor Lentz revised his lukewarm response:

Lentz sought to rectify his passivity by now saying he believes abortion is a sin, but that he chose to emphasize grace instead of sin.

He issued a Tweet that said:

“Recently in an interview I was asked directly if abortion was sin. I did not answer the question directly for a number of reasons and that caused some confusion about our stance as a church on this matter.

“I do believe abortion is sinful. Our prayer is that we can continue to help and love those that deal with the pain of regret from personal choices, rather than cast further shame and guilt on those already carrying so much and create a church that can teach people how to form convictions based on God’s word, that will be the driving force in all their decisions.

“I will continue to point people to Jesus, above all else, every opportunity I get. The story of God’s redemptive grace, available to all, is the best news available.”

Why didn’t Lentz articulate these very same points on TV?

“Live by your own convictions” is exactly what the abortion lobby wants to hear!

  1. Pastor Carl Lentz can learn a lesson from Revelation 3:16, which warns us:

“So, because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”

God’s warning to Christians. Don’t be lukewarm. Be strong in your faith.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Take heed of 2 Timothy 4:3, because I see this trend in many popular “hip” churches.

 “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

Make sure the church you attend is biblically sound.

Watch Pastor Carl Lentz’s interview on “The View” and tell me what you think.

What do you think? Write me at craig@electionforum.org

56 Comments on “What Happened to Hillsong? 7 Shocking Facts Concerning the Exploding Controversy [Video]”

    1. I hear you, however, let us not forget that on that show a strong answer would be like “grabbing a dog by his ears”
      Let’s pray for pastors instead off judging them…that God would continually use them to reach out…especially the people on the View, who in my opinion have ‘drank the koolaid’ and need to have their hearts open to receive God’s love.
      Remember the adversary wants us to be offended…it blocks LOVE, just saying.

      1. “Like grabbing …”
        We can’t accommodate such considerations and concerns, especially since the situation/circumstance didn’t suddenly come upon him (which is why we must always be prepared 1Pe 3:15). He knew what he was getting into. He did so willingly for worldly benefits (disguised for some as religion or Christianity) he hoped to gain. He wimped out for fear of the world; he set aside considerations of God’s purposes/plans for fear of the world.

  1. This shold not be a surprise to those who pay attention to people like Carl Lentz, Joel Olsteen and others. Who name the name of Christ but whos hearts are far from Him. P.s i would not sight Rick Warren as a viable example either of a “pastor” who stands for truth. Jesus warned us that there would be wolfs in sheeps clothing in the last days.

    1. I agree Jason, but please get some education in English grammar, spelling and punctuation. It helps to better represent the cause.

      1. Did you just judge a man based on grammar? May our Lord Jesus Christ fill your heart with love and not nitpicking. See past yourself into the hearts of others lifting them up, not tearing people down

        1. Did you just judge me on my choice to reasonably and accurately encourage Jason to pursue a course which would add weight and effectiveness to his future posts? May our Lord Jesus Christ fill your heart with love and not nitpicking. See past yourself into the hearts of others lifting them up, not tearing people down

          1. Greg, why did you change your name to Anonymous? Just curious, no biggie, no judgment, just wundrin is all … 🙂

  2. Perfectly obvious why they had him on. He is one of them and it must be what his followers want. Journey of Faith in M.B. seems to lean in the same direction. Sad.

    1. New Creation Dave, quit being an asshole and worrying about speech and typing. Represent yourself better.

      1. Wow, really? Did you even consider your comment and its dripping hypocrisy? WOW!

        My comment to Jason was exactly accurate. He’s representing the side of truth, but his grammar, punctuation and spelling will not make it as effective as it should be. Perhaps you’re not a Christian? If you are, consider seeking some counsel from trusted brothers.

    1. The”judging” line is old. When we simply relay what is written , God is still the Judge. Remember, we are His ambassadors! And ambassadors relay messages from their King, do they not?

    2. “Truth in love” why is that always forgotten ?? Jesus said to the woman at the well – “Go and sin no more”
      We are to care for our fellow Christians when they are straying for the word of God.

    3. Abortion is a much more serious matter than judging because it deprecates the preciousness of life itself (an easy entry into satanic principles), and unless there is a very good reason for it, I believe we have been thoroughly deceived and now accept it as normal, but the price of that is we are now much more desensitized from the staged evils of our world and take them in effortlessly. We have become soul damaged in effect. More study and prayer helps.

      1. Love ur reasoning. Yes, abortion is murder! One of the 10 Commandments states Thy shall NOT MURDER! This killing of children and babies happened in the OT days. It was wrong then and still wrong now. May God have mercy on all of us and give us all peace. AMEN!

    4. It’s not a sin to judge others. we aren’t to judging as hypocrites. We will be judged as we judge. Read further in the scripture instead of stopping after what you want to hear.

  3. Craig, your analysis of this sad interview is spot on. Lentz just totally missed an opportunity to let the Light of the Gospel shine for all men to see. He should have had “Prep” on doing this – should have had folks from the “church” not just his church hear responses to questions that he would give and provide feedback that he was watering down the truth. The true answers are inconvenient, unpopular, and likely divisive, and his demeanor suggests that having convenience, being popular and inclusive are higher priorities than the clear unvarnished truth. He did give a clue to it though – in his thinking, he wants to get folks in the door and then bring them to the truth. I get that. BUT, at what expense? It may take time, but the day he performs a Gay wedding we’ll know.

  4. The Gospel according to Rick Warren is no real Gospel at all. It changes depending the company he’s in. Discernment must be a part of every ministry, including this one. I am pleased the truth is being exposed about Hillsong. We must be willing to expose the truth so that others are not led astray. We do not need to attack character but honesty is a must.

  5. do you even care about the millions of people who may hear a stance as rejection- hillsong exists to call people to God not judge them – sound familiar- when did jesus run around saying – you are a sinner bound for hell- no He went and said I have not come to judge but to love and heal- pharisees never think they are-
    hillsong saves tens of thousands a year- how many are you seeing coming to Jesus- 1, 2 – grow up

    1. Good grief! Get into the Word. Join a bible-believing, bible-teaching church. No where to start with your so-far-off-the-mark comment!

    2. He said there will come a time people will not want to hear sound doctrine. Calling out sin has always been something Jesus did.

  6. My heart grieves for this. I know that in the last days and we are in them, that this type of thing is going to happen and people are going to be deceived and pull away from the Lord. We must begin praying in earnest. And that’s talking to myself because I don’t think I pray enough. Do you?

  7. One aspect of apologetics that believers must face is that because one speaks the name of Jesus nd His Gospel is proclaimed does not validate the integrity of the Word. A clear glass of water can contain an unseen drop of poison.

  8. “Do not judge” has become the most (MIS)quoted verse in the bible!!! Good grief, the NT tells us over and over and over TO judge! We are not to condemn (God is the final judge unto eternity in Heaven or Hell). But you can’t live a day without applying biblical judgment. Beyond representing God and His Word as His ambassadors, we MUST judge the BEHAVIORS of others for MANY reasons (marriage being just 1)! And we judge those behaviors by the WORD OF GOD! So yes, we MUST pronounce sinful behaviors as sin. I.e. abortion IS SIN! Homosexuality IS SIN! When we pronounce the Truth, IT judges others; it’s not US doing the judging! They’re free to respond as they wish, even to attack the messenger. God does not hold US responsible for THEIR rejection of it. But He DOES hold US responsible for failing to represent Him and His Word accurately, boldly and completely!

  9. You write The music is anointed? By who? Some of it may not be blasphemy but it’s God’s Word that is anointed.

  10. “It” is written, and it was written a long time ago; commandment #6 is pretty straight forward; “Thou shalt not kill”. If abortion isn’t killing then I don’t want to hear what some people think it is. So, anyway “Thou shalt not commit abortion”. That about sums it up, and yeah, I know that for some people this is rocket science. It’s not my soul they’re playing with. No pussy footing around. Not trying to be coy here, but the commandments were written in stone.

  11. Just read this article and some of the comments. I am not a pastor but have been a Christian for many years. Some of the comments were not Biblical.

    Pastors are men and women, they make mistakes. Be kind and supportive. An encouraging word and some gentle and kind suggestions that he may read is what is necessary. Many people have not had to grapple with the deceit of wealth. Many find themselves bending what their heart is saying in fear of the cost of speaking the truth.

    Your comments are for a brother that you love that did not rise to the occasion but will have future opportunities. Pray for him to be strong in his faith and discern his answers to further the Kingdom of God.

    God is love, remember this. God’s heart is for all to have Salvation. The devil and his filthy crew want to sew division, create division through casting disgrace and doubt upon believers and unbelievers alike.

    Before you write something remember a couple of things. The devil wants you to live a life of misery and slavery to sin, he wants you dead and your soul in hell. He wants this for your children, your husband or wife and all the generations connected to you. We fight the enemy, not one another.

    God Bless

  12. With all due respect, your approach is what feeds the problem. On one hand, you are correct: SOME of the comments are inappropriate. But on the other hand, this isn’t a case of recognizing that no one is perfect and everyone “makes mistakes.”

    You stated, “Pastors are men and women, they make mistakes. Be kind and supportive. An encouraging word and some gentle and kind suggestions that he may read is what is necessary.”

    Pastors are men, not men and women. THIS pastor appears NOT to be a brother, NOT to be a Christian. We don’t judge unto condemnation but we are commanded to judge by their fruit for MANY OTHER purposes. This man does not need kindness, support, encouragement and gentleness. He needs rebuke, admonishment and evangelizing (yes, IN LOVE!) since he clearly has NOT adopted biblical truth.

    This reminds me of when Bill Clinton was caught in his affair with Monica Lewinsky and SO MANY Christians, even pastors and leaders, warned us “not to judge!” I won’t continue my comments on that foolishness. I believe you get my point.

  13. For all of the pro-abortion brothers, why is it you cannot find one verse that speaks about abortion directly. You who attack others on a particular sin should have a verse that says exactly what you claim it says. Stop your political foolishness. Remember false doctrine is spoken of many time, and we as believers are told to beware of it and those who preach it. my brother, maybe you should examine your doctrine. T

  14. Sin, is sin. I agree. There is but one gospel, one way to be saved -Jesus. These are gospel fundamentals and should be declared fearlessly.
    But we need to be very careful before we elevate to a gospel fundamental something like abortion that Scripturally is not as black and white as some people like to portray. Jer. 1:5 says “before I formed you in the womb.” So does the “before” mean we are also against contraception of any sort? God knows everything and everone before they come to pass, that does not prove when an egg becomes a human soul. Some people are very keen to take literally the poetry of PS. 139:13 “you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb” and yet overlook the words just two verses later “when I was woven together in the depths of the earth” Psalms 139:15. Do we also take that literally? I am not proposing when an egg becomes a human soul, just that the Scipture does not really define it for certain.

  15. I can refute every single one of these “points.” You should get your facts straight and read your Bible but definitely do your research before you sit down to write. Nonetheless, Incredibly judge mental and my guess is you have never spoken to Carl personally. or anyone close to him. Blessings on you as you pick the sin out of someone else’s life.

    1. Are you claiming to be able to refute the 7 points in the article? If so, THAT would be quite a feat and I’d love to see it! Since that is precisely the elephant in the room, I’m curious as to why you didn’t provide your refutations ??

      My view is that those points are all spot on. What am I missing? Your input would help.

  16. For Jonathan: Psalms 94:21 (NKJV) They gather together against the life of the righteous, And condemn innocent blood.

    For Mary: please prayerfully read the entire 94th psalm. It seems that you may have been deceived into thinking (as way too many false churches teach today) that because God is love, He is not Holy. God is both infinitely loving and infinitely holy. He cannot tolerate sin. He is merciful and will forgive any CONFESSED sin that includes genuine repentance (turning away from the sin). And anyone who is truly saved will be in heaven because his/her sin is covered by the blood of Messiah. But these false teachers that minimize sin to a feel-good -about-yourself message are potentially keeping ppl from true repentance and trusting in Jesus alone to save them.

  17. never expected anything else from this man. sad day! reminded me of joel osteen on larry king – he did the same thing – mega church = mega money which =not standing for the truths of God and HIs word!

  18. Reading all of these comments shows me a glimpse of why it is so hard to talk to people about Jesus. We don’t sound like one body. Nobody agrees. People making snide comments to one another. People arguing about whether or not it is ok to judge. One thing is for sure… it is within your right to judge someone else, but the Bible warns against it because you would be judged with the same measure. That being the case, I am so glad that my sins are forgiven by Jesus it doesn’t truly matter what any of your opinions are. At the end of the day, this man may be a false teacher, he may just be weak in the face of adversity, in which case he should not be leading a church, however, none of you, not one, are without your own sins. I would think we would all be worried about that with the lateness of the hour in the world and leave to God what is God’s, to do what only HE can do. If I wasn’t already educated about some of these topics and I tuned in as a non believer I would be RUNNING not walking in the other direction. Get it together.

    1. First, stop judging people (according to you)!

      Second, ” it is within your right to judge someone else, but the Bible warns against it because you would be judged with the same measure. ”

      You obviously haven’t read the comments and don’t know what biblical judging is.

      If you’re going to scold others, know what you’re talking about.

      “At the end of the day, this man may be …” He IS!! That’s the entire point. You can’t just gloss over and ignore his wrongdoing/wrong teaching!

      So you’re upset that we’re pointing it out? What would you have us do?

      What makes you claim that we’re not concerned with our own sins or that we don’t realize we’re all sinners? That’s a specious justification and mitigation of what these wolves in sheeps’ clothing are up to. And it’s a shirking of our (your) duty to issue proper warning.

      Lay emotion aside and just speak the truth!

      Get it together? That’s the issue – this guy DOESN’T have it together. Go talk to HIM!

    2. Great comment. Thank you for taking the time to say this…….It’s helping me to think more in line with Christ and I appreciate that!

  19. why don’t we just pray the Creator opens the hearts and ears of ‘us’ sinners, your telling others how to learn the Creators words is one of the things that turned me from church, I believe the Creator can show me the truth, I learn from my heart and I believe I can heard and see truth . I pray the Creator opens my heart and mind to the truth and I know it the truth even if I don’t like it and yes I have many more questions, keep searching, not humans words and you all going on and on about what the Creators truth is by your interpretations , makes me remember what turn me away from churches, Bless us all and may evil be gone, and the light of the Divine shine

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